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MrShad
Posted on: 2010/2/5 20:09
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Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
The eagerly awaited 3rd instalment in the AvP-universe is soon to be unleashed upon us. But in the mean time Rebellion has sent us a multiplayer demo. So what are your first thoughts/reactions on both the demo and the full version of the game. Yes, I know that it is written in "test" coding.

I'm first out I guess:

I think so far the the three species are unbalanced, Marine dies to fast and as far as I know, there isnt recoil issue with the Pulse Rifle, wich it is in the game...

The Predator Single Player campaign I eagerly awaits..

More to come..

Sinc.
Shad

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WPC Webleys review (rushed and needs editing)

Well

Aliens vs predator - a revisit to my fav FPS game.

Before we start, I am a fan of the game, not massive on the films, but hell i like being a predator so i am bias in such a way. but to be fair, who doesnt love the predator?

lets recap on the previous games before we start eating into this one.....

>Avp1 - brilliant - but old

>Avp2 - nice class concept and looking back at it - good balance, rubbish 3d engine - not fast and fluent like the previous or the new, annoying spawn kills

Ok now lets look how this game compared to the top of the shelf like mw2 - or better yet, cod4, as multiplayer sucks hard on the mw2 system.

Ok so Avp 2010 isnt really a MW killer, theres 3 classes to consider for balance, and thats always going to cause controversy. A rock paper scissors kind of melee system is what makes avp different. However, when people get used to something and like that certain "sweet spot", they hate change. If you love mw2 and the simple tdm, ctf and s&d game modes, i can prolly tell you now you wont like avp because it is "too different" to what your used to. Mw Cod4 is more suited to serious tourney play, but i can tell you now that such a small fact will not stop avp becoming one, no matter how weird and controversial due to the fan base it carries. (its like a 11 year old fan base not including the atari version or the films)


So what does that leave us? well the game has been getting reviewed by fans who preferred the old, fan who prefer every single details to be like the films or people who prefer the balance games like mw cod4 offer.

well heres mine. (from a multiplayer point of view)


AVP.... i was an old avp2 melee predator veteran. i like the way pred was handicapped against aliens in melee, cus when i would win as a result of only using a melee spear it would usually mean i kick ass. my how times have changed....

Firstly weapons, theres not many of them

predator has 4 weapons, mines (cost energy), spear (is like a delayed sniper and not melee and is thrown in a cool fashion), plasma mounted shoulder cannon (auto aim and energy cost) and disc (everyone’s fav weapon)...

nows thats not many, and kind of feels a bit empty, after a few days of constant play you kind of wish there was more, so instead your encouraged to go off and play some other species to keep yourself amused.

each of preds weapons are power hitting juggernauts, they hurt and usually result in one hit kills, however some of them are a little slow to pull of, with a rough delay of 1 sec. this makes the cloaking melee beast effective in a very certain style of play. (hes not a run and gun class like the other two)

his other benefits are cloak and the fact he has the most health

but weapons is not all you get - predator has now advanced in melee - he can sprint and he can pounce on unsuspecting targets

his visions switches are his advantage and yet his pitfall, 1 vision spots aliens and the other marines and preds, so switching vision usually gets you killed but in hand gives you good sight on said target.

he can block melee attacks, throw a light attack and a heavy attack (like aliens)

the system works like this

alien and pred:

each have light attack (LA), heavy attack (HA) and block (BLK)

LA is instant but can be blocked

HA takes a second to "wind up" but does more damage and stuns but cannot be blocked - however you can use LA to interrupt one - HA also has longer range, aliens HA is longer than preds HA

marine can BLK and use LA but has no HA (he has nades and bullets)

if any class throws a LA, and this is blocked by the target, the target can do a LA back which is a counter attack stunning you. (this makes for good melee fights and give a marine a close encounter advantage)

a pounce is like a long range LA and can be blocked in the same way as LA and countered - if you pounce from max range you knock the target down (aliens and preds can pounce)

IF YOU DO NOT LEARN THIS AND JUMP INTO THE GAME LIKE A MW PLAYER YOULL PROLLY PUT THE GAME DOWN AFTER 5 MINS AND HATE IT - the controls and blocking/countering rock paper scissors moves are not very well introduced by the game, most players had to work this out for themselves to enjoy it. I give you a head start by giving you this info

when close and performing melee attacks youll be put into an auto aim state thus making aim not a problem, allowing you to focus on your moves

there is no classes, each has to pickup weapons around the maps

theres different game modes like survivor (like l4d2) and predator hunt modes


alien can see through walls, has the melee system, can climb walls and ceilings, has an instant HA if using wall walk and has an amazing sprint. alien has 2nd most hit points, pred has the most, marine 3rd. hes wall walk is awkward at first but gets easier as you master it and learn the maps. a crosshair on screen goes black donating your in a dark area for a stealth kill and lets you know when your well hidden by the shadows

using aliens special vision through walls allows you to wait till your target is engaged in a fight or has his back turned before you even consider sprinting round the corner.

marine has sniper, pistol, motion tracker, flame thrower, pulse rifle with nades, smart gun which auto aims and sprint and block and LA, his sprint isnt very fast and his vision is dark but he has a torch. he also has a shotgun, which when using alt fire kills in one shot up close. he uses the butt of his weapons to LA and block and ambushes using his motion tracker to tell when people are approaching making him aware. because of the scared atmosphere the marine class puts you in you feel more inclined to team up melee kills are the most satisfying to pull of make you feel like the ultimate bad ass. Teaming up with your mates using mics is the best experience to film ratio i have ever encountered. "I GOT MOVEMENT!"

the graphics are superb, atmospheric and will keep you very much entertained no matter what all these other reviews say.

there are also trophy kills and stealth kills for the predator and alien. people say they are cheap but its like using the knife in mw. its a guaranteed kill yet it puts you in an animated state for 5 secs where the chosen species rips the target to shreds in his own little way giving enough time for someone to come up behind you and do the same, so use them when in rooms one on one alone. you simply press "e" when your behind your opponent, or if you knocked them down or stunned them you can do it facing them, however this can be countered from the front. its visually appealing but gets boring after a couple of days if you just want to get the kills and not feel like your in a movie.


all in all a good game, but with a very niche taste for fans, well balanced but also chaotic and careless at times. its fun without being tourney serious, which makes it hard to take seriously for some not to play it.

the demo is a bad example with 1 map and a FFA mode, this game shines when your teamed up with your species

pred can heal using energy
marine uses stims
aliens regenerates out of combat

melee vids you should watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8SS8qOi9K0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bT_sRo41e00&feature=related


the pc version supports dedicated servers and theres a ranked server for earning xp and unlocking skins



this game is mainly bashed by those who don’t like different FPS games which didn’t imitate the last, and is quicky hated due to people not learning or spending enough time figuring out the melee system or people who generally liked the old games and don’t like the change in this game

I give it a 8/10 for innovation – it’s a good adaptation but could be better, but at least its different – theres little bits a bobs which make it innovative but then theres not a lot either



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"Be mindful of the shadows, thy fate awaits thee."
-Shadow Spirit

Blaze
Posted on: 2010/2/5 20:28
Long Fang (High Council)
Joined: 2009/6/8
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Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
Well first things first of all the game modesi dont see why they had to make it a DM game i HATE avp dm lol

All in all i love the game, the graphics are good and sounds are good as well, the alien wall walk takes some getting used to but other than that it's just like avp2

Marine = Yes these are the easy ones to kill but then again they are going to be little to no armour but GREAT firepower can drop a alien in less than 20 shots lol, the motion tracker sounds a great i love the change in pitch as the alien/pred gets closer to you, however the map they picked is not suited for the marine the whole map is too damn dark lol

Alien = i LOVE the speed of this and the instant kills, seems quite week tho cant take much damage and as i said before the wall walk takes some getting used to

Pred = The 1 thing i dont like about the pred is the mines it can pick up ( although i've done it myself lol )
people just sit on a legde and put mines all around them power back up and do it again,
Other than that the cloak is a lot more ballanced than in avp2 at least this time when i cloaked pred attacks you it lose's the cloak so you can at least see where the bastard is :P
and takes a LOT of damage befor you die

All in all i think the game has found a great way to ballance all 3 of these speices without making anyone more powerfull than the others, so i cant fault that,

they should have just picked another game map and game type lolol
Buzz
Posted on: 2010/2/5 21:06
Lair Keeper (Server Admin)
Joined: 2009/5/23
From: New York NY
Posts: 2208
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
Hi all


Game plays well and Im looking forward to the Dedicated server files, Hoping to Host for us.


[WPC]Buzz
MrShad
Posted on: 2010/2/5 21:06
Wise Wolf
Joined: 2010/1/30
From: Sweden
Posts: 216
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
I've always hated 3 species DM. I'm more team oriented kind of player as you might know;).

Im sure going miss my fav weapon..Net Gun ^^


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"Be mindful of the shadows, thy fate awaits thee."
-Shadow Spirit

Hemi
Posted on: 2010/2/7 18:35
Wise Wolf
Joined: 2010/2/4
From: The Netherlands
Posts: 4538
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
Ok, finally played the demo thanx to Blaze! :)

Played as Alien and Predator, suspect Marine isnt that different from other FPS games.

Alien :

As usual...I sucked at the controls the first few minutes. After a while it all came back to me, and I must say that it didnt really feel totaly unfamiliar. Its a big difference compared to the fast paced action on a PC and holding the ps3 controller was a bit weird in the beginning. I think it wont take long to get a hang of things regarding the ps3 controls. Destroying lamps is good fun. The alien always was the hardest to control, but I like it...its a good challenge. And the running...oh my...

Predator :

Allot less "bulky" compared to AVP2 to my opinion. I had the idea that I was going pretty fast, not as fast as the alien, but fast enough. The vision modes were a bit...strange. At the end of the match I just disabled them, got into cloack and went huntin. Maybe the modes just annoyed me.

Now the DM isnt really my beef anymore these days. I like the coop/horde/survival modes, cous then I dont have to shoot my buddies hehe.

Overal it felt like commin home to me, and I hope to see some of you guys online with the ps3...cous my laptops cant run the game.
MrShad
Posted on: 2010/2/8 19:08
Wise Wolf
Joined: 2010/1/30
From: Sweden
Posts: 216
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
Yup, ive would had hoped for a Team DM also. Last couple of days Ive only played for like 30 mins a night. Getting Spawnkilled every time by 10-year-olds who barely cant type or talk English, aint my definition of fun. "Haha, joo fokker I keled jouuu.."


I am getting hang of the Marine and Preddie though.


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-Shadow Spirit

Solo
Posted on: 2010/2/9 8:31
Old Grey [Clan Founder]
Joined: 2009/5/21
From: Belgium
Posts: 944
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
He he, at last my preddy was mine again!

Except that it tooks me some times to define my buttons (there are so many for the preddy). I even got lost for some time and spend my time to unclock instead of attacking! Guess what was the result.

Ah bah, beware as soon as I'll find the correct combo, your base will belong to me in the end!

Muhahahhahah!



PS : Good to see you too Shaddy boy!
Webley
Posted on: 2010/2/9 11:22
Old Grey [Clan Founder]
Joined: 2009/12/14
From: UK
Posts: 1853
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
i love it but hate a couple of things


pred spear is throw only, you cant use it for melee!! gay (theres already a bunch of ranged weapons for pred)

pred indicated jump, takes ages and gets you killed and you cant throw spears or anything mid air - you just watch a animation which leaves you helpless and you cant just jump on ledges in a moments thought - you have to stop and look for a silly pad - and not all the time you land on the one you think you clicked on

netgun - where did it go?

smartgun - doesnt sound like anything which resembles a smartgun


i do like marines in this tho, cool pulserifle effect when it heats up and they can knock down aliens and stun preds if they are lucky or good in melee
Buzz
Posted on: 2010/2/9 11:29
Lair Keeper (Server Admin)
Joined: 2009/5/23
From: New York NY
Posts: 2208
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
Hi all

So far I ve been playing since its been out and it took me some time to get familar with everything keys/jumping as pred,grabing at right moment , and I have to say its a totaly diferent game then AVP 2 , But the Hunt goes on!

I have to admit I klike the smart gun its way easy..hehe

[WPC]Buzz
MadMax75th
Posted on: 2010/2/13 12:33
Cub
Joined: 2010/2/13
From:
Posts: 1
Re: Review of AvP Demo: First thoughts?
I realize the demo leaves a lot to be desired but I think we should wait to see how the game plays when it is released and there are servers that will allow better game-play and won't limit joining a new game only(can join a game in progress). The graphics were pretty great in my opinion and once I got used to the MANY short comings of P2P play...I had fun. My clan plans on getting a server and we will see how things go. I am hopeful that the game will play better than the demo and the opening display advises that this (DEMO) will not look as good as the final game.
Max
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