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Xenomorph
Posted on: 2012/6/16 12:59
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SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Ok so here we go then!
After watching Prometheus i got alot of answeres to my questions,
but one ting has been on my mind now.

I get where the humans (us) came from according to the movie,
but i felt there was a missing creature in the ALIEN lifecycle.

ALIEN lifecycle:

Spacejocky black goo from out the pillars in the space ship " worms in the dirt = cobra snake thing.

Cobra snake thing bites man + romance with woman = squid like chest burster.

Squid like chest burster grows huge + eats spacejocky = first version of the Xenomorph.

So that all makes sence to me pretty much but remember the following scene where the 2 guys ware left behind in the spaceship because of the storm.
They found a whole pile of spacejocky's who had their chest bursted open, trying to get trough a door rite?
Where is the lifeform that spawned from the spacejocky's? :/
Thats been haunting me since i saw it since we all know whatever spawns from a chestburster can remain alive for ages.

What you guys thoughts on this?


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Whisky
Posted on: 2012/6/16 13:56
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Not quite.

The black gunk breaks down DNA and rebuilds it.

David (android) adds some to the vodka he give's to Holloway. Holloway then goes sleeps with Shaw who is barren. But the end result is a squidy thing due to the way the gunk works. As we can see from... the tattoo'd geologist guy, the gunk takes control. Which leads me to believe the gunk is the xenomorph in it's most basic form. Which is, as anyone who is aware of the extended universe should know, a bioweapon.

This black gunk and it's behaviour does explain how the xeno assimilates it's pray's features (see drone, runner, predalien). It's basicicly a virus.

So the primary life cycle is. (by my understanding)

Gunk rebuilds stuff into a 'facehugger'

Facehugger then 'impregnates' suitable prey.

Xenomorph is then 'born' with the genetic characteristics of it's host.

Which I think all fit's in cannon.


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Zeeky
Posted on: 2012/6/16 23:10
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
The captain infers that the planet must be some sort of military instillation and that is where a lot of black goo is kept. The engineer at the start of the film is testing the black goo on a barren planet (hence he is surprised by it's results) and life on earth is created due to it? That would explain why the engineer wanted to get back to earth and destroy it as it was a test gone wrong.

Do people agree with me on this?

I have several reasons to back this up. This would be slightly grounded in reality as life began in the oceans as small algae I think. Also before life on earth the concentration of C02 was much higher which would explain why the engineer could easily breath on the planet? I think the quote from the female scientist on LV 223 is "It would be like breathing through an exhaust pipe, dead within 3 minutes".

I have a question I would like to see if anyone can explain why Fifield turns into a super zombie thing?


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Whisky
Posted on: 2012/6/16 23:30
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Fifield, that's his name. lol. I have an idea.

As for the result of the black goo on 'earth'. I don't think that was an experiment. Judging by the appearance and behaviour of the engineer I would have said that was more ceremonial. I believe he knew what he was doing.

I think the black goo we see in the installation is either weapon or maybe a corrupted version. There is a lot of inference but never any confirmation. Don't forget that the installation (which I'd like to point out looks a hell of a lot like an Alien Hive) is acting as a terraforming plant.

I think the black gunk is the Alien in it's 'pure' form.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/synopsis <- Doesn't explain everything but lays out what happened.


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Xenomorph
Posted on: 2012/6/16 23:35
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Yeah the black stuff is the very very first stage of the alien as we know it :)
Still, where did the dead spacejocky pile chestbursters go? ;)


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Zeeky
Posted on: 2012/6/16 23:39
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
I'll have to agree to disagree with you Whisky, I would have agreed with you a couple of days ago. Xeno I think they built egg shaped rockets and flew into the sun?


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Whisky
Posted on: 2012/6/16 23:49
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Disagree on which point?

Oh, something I found.

Quote:
It can be assumed that the Humanoid or "Space Jockey" at the beginning of the movie was standing on Earth, and the liquid that he drank was probably the same matter that David discovers (when he says "big things have small beginnings"). Supposedly this liquid dematerialises the Space Jockey's DNA which eventually combined with Earth's water gives rise to all living beings on earth, including humans. Why the Space Jockeys couldn't have extracted DNA from stem cells or even just manufactured it, remains a mystery. One theory is that that along with the mythology behind the movie title, the space jockey standing on Earth stole the technology from the biological weapons seen on LV-223, to create new life instead of destruction. This lone dissident having no means to add the space jockey/human genome to the liquid compound had to make do with what he had; his own body. Concept art of the film showed an extended opening scene involving two Space Jockeys. An elder SJ gives a younger looking SJ the cup of black liquid in a ritualistic manner. So the opening scene is part of a ritual to begin the creation of organic life on any given planet. The scene is rumored to have been shot so it may end up on the home release as behind the scenes or deleted footage.


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Zeeky
Posted on: 2012/6/17 0:01
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
That I think it was an experiment.

The problem is it doesn't really matter what people say at this point as it's all left for interpretation until it is officially explained or a sequel is made.


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Xenomorph
Posted on: 2012/6/17 12:35
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
Zeeky, if it would be an experiment they wanted to test out on another planet,
wouldent they have a bit TO MUCH of the black liquid tho? :)
I mean, you saw what they had on board of one ship rite? and i turned out they had a whole bunch of those ships at that planet just like it.
Such a big amount of that stuff more sounds more like extermintating a planet than a experiment to me?

Mayebe one ship to see how far the mutations would get and check back on it after a year sounds more ligic to me.
I mean, if you mutated a whole planet with new more badass killing lifeforms than what it had on it before that,
i wouldent be making much progress on extermintating it? :)

About the SJ chestbursters tho, i dun think the squiddy's would be that intelligent to make ships just yet ;)


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BrainDead
Posted on: 2012/6/17 18:13
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Re: SPOILERS!------Prometheus thoughts------SPOILERS - do not read if not seen the movie yet!
To me the black goo was just a catalyst that formed DNA.

If you noticed, when they walked into the shrine/vault, they had worms from outside falling off their shoes? this then mixed with the black goo and created the worm/snake like creature.

When it entered Fifield, it only mutated him and his DNA alone. But when Shaw was impregnated, the results were slightly different as she actually birthed a mutation with part of her DNA.
Again, when this then impregnated the space jockey (I believe this ability was a result of being copied from Shaw's reproductive organs), the result was a humanoid lifeform (which to me was a really lame attempt at keeping the fan boys happy and I would have rather he left it out)

As for the other dead space jockeys, if you notice, their chests were not burst open but their skulls, the same as what happened when they tried to re-animate the head.
This must just be a side effect of mixing the black goo with space jockies DNA.

Personally, I think he should have kept it as the original planet from Alien and the ending should have had the space jockey make his way back to the space ship and leave the rest to our imagination.
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